imm_pro
06-12 08:29 PM
A hearing today illustrates why tech groups are blocked on this issue
June 12, 2008 (Computerworld) WASHINGTON -- When U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) led a U.S. House hearing today on bills that would make it easier for highly educated foreign tech workers to stay in the U.S., she had almost everything she needed to make her case. Underscore the word almost.
At the hearing, Lofgren's legislative effort was backed by the leading professional engineering group, the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers Inc. (IEEE-USA); the Semiconductor Industry Association; and an academic group, the Association of International Educators.
What Lofgren didn't have was the support of everyone on her Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship and Refugees, Border Security and International Law.
"I think we should give the high-tech industry the innovators they need," said fellow committee member Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.). But what do lawmakers tell foreign workers who labor on farms and apply pesticides -- that "you're not really smart?"
Gutierrez called farm workers "just as critical and relevant to the innovation of that industry" as tech workers are to IT innovation. And he urged the committee to take a "holistic approach" to immigration so that the most vulnerable "are not stigmatized by actions of the Congress."
Gutierrez' argument encapsulated why efforts to raise the caps on H-1B visas and green cards face a difficult time in Congress. Last year's failed attempt at immigration reform has turned the issue into an all-or-nothing fight for many lawmakers, which has so far stymied efforts by tech groups to win support for expanding the H-1B cap. The outlook for Lofgren's effort is uncertain at best.
She recently introduced three bills intended to make it easier for U.S. firms to hire graduates of U.S. universities who earn a degree in science, technology, engineering or mathematics. One bill, HR 6039, would exclude these graduates from the annual 140,000 limit on skills-based employment visas. A companion bill was introduced earlier this month in the Senate by Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Judd Gregg (R-N.H.).
In response to Gutierrez' argument, Edward Sweeney, who chairs the Semiconductor Industry Association's Semiconductor Workforce Strategy Committee and is vice president of worldwide human resources at National Semiconductor Corp., said his industry is dealing right now with the loss of "job creating talent."
Every day, said Sweeney, foreign graduates are returning home, where they create jobs "to compete against us." Gutierrez countered by describing the threat of deportation or the risk of jail facing an undocumented worker in a meatpacking plant.
Stating the case for the IEEE was Lee Colby, an electrical engineer and 36-year employee of Hewlett-Packard Co. who now runs his own circuit design consulting company. "At this point, it's difficult to get enough engineers in the United States to staff our research and development labs," said Colby, calling that situation "somewhat pitiful."
He continued: "We definitely need talent from overseas to correct this situation."
The only person on the panel called to testify in opposition was Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, who argued that highly skilled workers are not really that highly skilled.
"Contrary to the claims of the lobbyists, these workers aren't necessarily the best and brightest," said Krikorian, citing a study by Norman Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California at Davis.
But Sweeney said the semiconductor industry applies for up to 4,000 green card workers a year and he said those workers, many with masters degrees and above, "are crucial" to product research. "They are making north of $100,000 a year," he said.
June 12, 2008 (Computerworld) WASHINGTON -- When U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) led a U.S. House hearing today on bills that would make it easier for highly educated foreign tech workers to stay in the U.S., she had almost everything she needed to make her case. Underscore the word almost.
At the hearing, Lofgren's legislative effort was backed by the leading professional engineering group, the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers Inc. (IEEE-USA); the Semiconductor Industry Association; and an academic group, the Association of International Educators.
What Lofgren didn't have was the support of everyone on her Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship and Refugees, Border Security and International Law.
"I think we should give the high-tech industry the innovators they need," said fellow committee member Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.). But what do lawmakers tell foreign workers who labor on farms and apply pesticides -- that "you're not really smart?"
Gutierrez called farm workers "just as critical and relevant to the innovation of that industry" as tech workers are to IT innovation. And he urged the committee to take a "holistic approach" to immigration so that the most vulnerable "are not stigmatized by actions of the Congress."
Gutierrez' argument encapsulated why efforts to raise the caps on H-1B visas and green cards face a difficult time in Congress. Last year's failed attempt at immigration reform has turned the issue into an all-or-nothing fight for many lawmakers, which has so far stymied efforts by tech groups to win support for expanding the H-1B cap. The outlook for Lofgren's effort is uncertain at best.
She recently introduced three bills intended to make it easier for U.S. firms to hire graduates of U.S. universities who earn a degree in science, technology, engineering or mathematics. One bill, HR 6039, would exclude these graduates from the annual 140,000 limit on skills-based employment visas. A companion bill was introduced earlier this month in the Senate by Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Judd Gregg (R-N.H.).
In response to Gutierrez' argument, Edward Sweeney, who chairs the Semiconductor Industry Association's Semiconductor Workforce Strategy Committee and is vice president of worldwide human resources at National Semiconductor Corp., said his industry is dealing right now with the loss of "job creating talent."
Every day, said Sweeney, foreign graduates are returning home, where they create jobs "to compete against us." Gutierrez countered by describing the threat of deportation or the risk of jail facing an undocumented worker in a meatpacking plant.
Stating the case for the IEEE was Lee Colby, an electrical engineer and 36-year employee of Hewlett-Packard Co. who now runs his own circuit design consulting company. "At this point, it's difficult to get enough engineers in the United States to staff our research and development labs," said Colby, calling that situation "somewhat pitiful."
He continued: "We definitely need talent from overseas to correct this situation."
The only person on the panel called to testify in opposition was Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, who argued that highly skilled workers are not really that highly skilled.
"Contrary to the claims of the lobbyists, these workers aren't necessarily the best and brightest," said Krikorian, citing a study by Norman Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California at Davis.
But Sweeney said the semiconductor industry applies for up to 4,000 green card workers a year and he said those workers, many with masters degrees and above, "are crucial" to product research. "They are making north of $100,000 a year," he said.
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pkak
11-18 02:37 AM
Vowww... what a wishful thinking.
OK looks like I was wrong. Some July Visa bulletin people may not be able to buy houses.
But those desis can at-least help with Global Warming by living 5-6 in a house, and 5 guys travelling together in a 1995 Toyota Corolla.
OK looks like I was wrong. Some July Visa bulletin people may not be able to buy houses.
But those desis can at-least help with Global Warming by living 5-6 in a house, and 5 guys travelling together in a 1995 Toyota Corolla.
dummgelauft
12-23 11:54 AM
Try getting info from any other consulate...you will feel the same.... I used to feel the same until I dealt with UK / French /Italian consulates for tourist visa....it was as horrible...
I dealt with the UK consulate and the CGI India at Chicago. Now, agreed this was many years ago, when I used to have a desi passport.
There was an awesome Asst. Consular Officer (i forget the exact designation), but her name was Deepa Jain. I submitted my desi passpost for renewal at CGI Chicago, using the procedure described on their then brand new website. Waited 4 weeks, nothing. This was in 1999, so I decided to call the conculate, totally expecting nobody to pickup the phone, but to my surprise, somebody picked up!!. I gave them the details of my application and old passport and the lady who answered the phone said "we will call you back".
Now, knowing what that means, I began to prepare myslef for weeks and possibly months of frustration..BUT...lo and behold, two days after my call to them, Ms. Deepa Jain called back ON MY cellphone to tell me "your passport was renewed and I wil lmake sure it gets sent out today itself!!". To tel you the truth, I was totally blown away, and if Ms Jain is still around in any of the consulates, hats off to you...but I digress..
Now comes the part with the UK consulate, again, in Chicago.
I wanted to visit UK and applied for a visitors visa providing them will all the things that they need. Their requirements are very stringent and they want a ton of information too.
The delightful englishwoman at the counter in UK consulate started to ask me all sorts of questions while leafing thru my documents. When she saw a copyof my Canadian PR card in there, she stopped and asked me to show her the original card, which I did. Once she saw it, that was it. Her next statement was "You may pick up your passport in the afternoon".
So, two things, it is the desi sarkari babus who mess it up for us, in the consulates and it is the poor image "enjoyed" by our desi passports (which used to be hand written" up until a few years ago) that create problems for us in the non-Indian consulates (European ones to be precise)J.apanese, Korean and othe Asian consulates tend to be much better in this regard.
I dealt with the UK consulate and the CGI India at Chicago. Now, agreed this was many years ago, when I used to have a desi passport.
There was an awesome Asst. Consular Officer (i forget the exact designation), but her name was Deepa Jain. I submitted my desi passpost for renewal at CGI Chicago, using the procedure described on their then brand new website. Waited 4 weeks, nothing. This was in 1999, so I decided to call the conculate, totally expecting nobody to pickup the phone, but to my surprise, somebody picked up!!. I gave them the details of my application and old passport and the lady who answered the phone said "we will call you back".
Now, knowing what that means, I began to prepare myslef for weeks and possibly months of frustration..BUT...lo and behold, two days after my call to them, Ms. Deepa Jain called back ON MY cellphone to tell me "your passport was renewed and I wil lmake sure it gets sent out today itself!!". To tel you the truth, I was totally blown away, and if Ms Jain is still around in any of the consulates, hats off to you...but I digress..
Now comes the part with the UK consulate, again, in Chicago.
I wanted to visit UK and applied for a visitors visa providing them will all the things that they need. Their requirements are very stringent and they want a ton of information too.
The delightful englishwoman at the counter in UK consulate started to ask me all sorts of questions while leafing thru my documents. When she saw a copyof my Canadian PR card in there, she stopped and asked me to show her the original card, which I did. Once she saw it, that was it. Her next statement was "You may pick up your passport in the afternoon".
So, two things, it is the desi sarkari babus who mess it up for us, in the consulates and it is the poor image "enjoyed" by our desi passports (which used to be hand written" up until a few years ago) that create problems for us in the non-Indian consulates (European ones to be precise)J.apanese, Korean and othe Asian consulates tend to be much better in this regard.
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mhb
07-06 06:18 PM
watching NBC nightly news.. No mention yet... hmmmmmmmmmm..
just been informed that the newscast is going is to happen tommorow. apparently there was some "breaking" news!! guys make sure you tune in tomorrow!!
just been informed that the newscast is going is to happen tommorow. apparently there was some "breaking" news!! guys make sure you tune in tomorrow!!
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raydhan
04-02 12:40 PM
Sent both faxes
BharatPremi
03-24 12:42 PM
Dude,
Be specific and say that your PD is current, I was wondering when EB2 India become current.
Yes, You are right. I should have written "Since EB2-India current PD period is December 2003"
Be specific and say that your PD is current, I was wondering when EB2 India become current.
Yes, You are right. I should have written "Since EB2-India current PD period is December 2003"
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JazzByTheBay
10-06 04:48 AM
Why do fingerprints matter so much?
As long as you already have the interim benefits - the EADs & APs - taken care of, what's the significance of FPs?
jazz
Transfer people are stuck for FP notices... If only csc could have done the FP along with the ead/ap...
As long as you already have the interim benefits - the EADs & APs - taken care of, what's the significance of FPs?
jazz
Transfer people are stuck for FP notices... If only csc could have done the FP along with the ead/ap...
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go_guy123
06-24 01:39 PM
If this is true, how come CIR is one of the main agendas of democratic party. Also remember hispanic votes were a deciding factor in the last election. GOP acknowledges that. Moreover voters demographics has changed since last election. Electorate is comprised of higher percentage of forward thinking younger generation.
IMO anti-immigrant racist voter percentage will be on decline in coming years. So democrats/gop is better off catering to the likes of this younger generation.
Actually it is like the "Gareebi Hatao" (translation: Remove Poverty) slogan for the Democratic party. Something to be used in certain districts for election only.
Just like Gay Marriage issue for Republican party.
In fact Rahm Emanuel (key strategist of the democratic party and one of the people credited for the success of the Democratic party in the election) said immigration
is the third rail of American politics.
It is the independent voters that decide a election, not the core democratic(ultra liberal) or core republican(ultra right wing) supporters. Passing an CIR will piss off
a significant portion of these independents and will create a swing against the Democratic party. A very small swing can create devastating losses in the swing
states.
The immigration issues is in a factor in the 1st generation Hispanic community whose parents are illegals.
Even the younger generation wants illegal immigration control.
IMO anti-immigrant racist voter percentage will be on decline in coming years. So democrats/gop is better off catering to the likes of this younger generation.
Actually it is like the "Gareebi Hatao" (translation: Remove Poverty) slogan for the Democratic party. Something to be used in certain districts for election only.
Just like Gay Marriage issue for Republican party.
In fact Rahm Emanuel (key strategist of the democratic party and one of the people credited for the success of the Democratic party in the election) said immigration
is the third rail of American politics.
It is the independent voters that decide a election, not the core democratic(ultra liberal) or core republican(ultra right wing) supporters. Passing an CIR will piss off
a significant portion of these independents and will create a swing against the Democratic party. A very small swing can create devastating losses in the swing
states.
The immigration issues is in a factor in the 1st generation Hispanic community whose parents are illegals.
Even the younger generation wants illegal immigration control.
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mmj
04-24 08:32 PM
I think 90% of the people are doing nothing :(
People are thinking they give $100-$200 or $1000 to IV and their duty is done, they have no clue what we are up against...
People are thinking they give $100-$200 or $1000 to IV and their duty is done, they have no clue what we are up against...
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gclabor07
12-01 12:21 PM
Pappu,
Thanks for the great analysis. One suggestion for USCIS. They need to make EB GC process a linear one, meaning that you file for labor, then I-140, and I-485 as soon as your first two stages are cleared. Concurrent filing process is a hit or miss. It doesn't make sense anymore when you've so much retrogression.
This linear approach will be good for USCIS for two reasons:
1. They will get constant flow of applications rather than all at once. Plus they can control it by regulating the flow of I-140 approvals.
2. They will be able to better predict the visa movement based on their inventory.
For people like me, it will be good for two reasons:
1. I'll enjoy similar EAD/AP benefits that most of the people enjoy who filed during July 07.
2. No more H1B stamping.
Thanks.
Thanks for the great analysis. One suggestion for USCIS. They need to make EB GC process a linear one, meaning that you file for labor, then I-140, and I-485 as soon as your first two stages are cleared. Concurrent filing process is a hit or miss. It doesn't make sense anymore when you've so much retrogression.
This linear approach will be good for USCIS for two reasons:
1. They will get constant flow of applications rather than all at once. Plus they can control it by regulating the flow of I-140 approvals.
2. They will be able to better predict the visa movement based on their inventory.
For people like me, it will be good for two reasons:
1. I'll enjoy similar EAD/AP benefits that most of the people enjoy who filed during July 07.
2. No more H1B stamping.
Thanks.
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ramreddy
01-31 09:58 AM
nope ..I can't either. Its hard to imagine why an IEEE , with a Phd from Berkley couldn't find anything better to do than head a diploma mill...fishy. !!!
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eb3retro
10-29 09:41 PM
Hi eb3retro,
I see that your PD is Jan 2003. Mine is Mar 03. I thought I would ask you about your opininons.
So, do you think we will get our GC in 2009?
Do you think it would be better to move to EB2?
Thanks for your inputs.
hi, personally i am looking for a chance to move to eb2. Being in eb3-I is as good as u will never get ur GC,or by the time you get ur GC, u would have lost your time and patience to live in this country anymore. follow your instincts..
I see that your PD is Jan 2003. Mine is Mar 03. I thought I would ask you about your opininons.
So, do you think we will get our GC in 2009?
Do you think it would be better to move to EB2?
Thanks for your inputs.
hi, personally i am looking for a chance to move to eb2. Being in eb3-I is as good as u will never get ur GC,or by the time you get ur GC, u would have lost your time and patience to live in this country anymore. follow your instincts..
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tonyHK12
04-29 03:54 PM
Yep, I am more interested in the next 40 minutes when USCIS might release the inventory. :(
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gc28262
03-27 08:51 AM
Man, this place just needs a reason to go all-out hysterical. Seriously, what is the problem with this regulation? Employment verification is just the DMV's way of finding out if the person is in legal status. You had to show this letter when you got your visa stamped didn't you? Similarly, American citizens have to show proof of citizenship while applying for a driver's license. These are good law-enforcement measures the govt is taking to prevent out of status immigrants from getting a driver's license.
ashkam,
You are missing it again. What is a driver license for ? Drivers license is a drivers license. It is a verification whether one has the driving skills and knowledge to drive safely on the road.
What has it got to do with job or immigration status ?
ashkam,
You are missing it again. What is a driver license for ? Drivers license is a drivers license. It is a verification whether one has the driving skills and knowledge to drive safely on the road.
What has it got to do with job or immigration status ?
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arihant
03-16 11:51 AM
All,
Do not despair yet. We were repeatedly told that bills take a lot of time to pass. Never the less we'll keep working on this bill and this also precisely why we're not pinning all of our hopes on only the Comprehensive Immigration Bill. We also have the PACE bill and the TALENT bill, which can bring a lot of relief to us.
Are there any plans by the senate or congress to to bring these two bills to the floor anytime? In other words, what is the current status of these two bills?
Do not despair yet. We were repeatedly told that bills take a lot of time to pass. Never the less we'll keep working on this bill and this also precisely why we're not pinning all of our hopes on only the Comprehensive Immigration Bill. We also have the PACE bill and the TALENT bill, which can bring a lot of relief to us.
Are there any plans by the senate or congress to to bring these two bills to the floor anytime? In other words, what is the current status of these two bills?
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gsc999
04-11 12:49 PM
Update for Nor. Cal members:
We are arranging meetings with local law makers. This information has been posted on the Nor Cal Yahoo group by IV member Franklin.
I am posting this update here for new IV members from this area. PM me if you are interested in joining these meetings.
We are arranging meetings with local law makers. This information has been posted on the Nor Cal Yahoo group by IV member Franklin.
I am posting this update here for new IV members from this area. PM me if you are interested in joining these meetings.
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03-16 04:23 PM
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49296
Millions of illegals to become citizens?
Kennedy-McCain immigration reform bill likely to pass Senate committee after recess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: March 16, 2006
5:00 p.m. Eastern
� 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
A bill that would give millions of illegal aliens in the United States the opportunity to earn citizenship is closer to becoming law today as members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signaled likely passage of a proposal by Sens. Edward Kenney, D-Mass., and John McCain, R-Ariz.
Though a committee vote will not be held until after a week-long congressional recess, likely March 27, committee members appeared ready to back the Kennedy-McCain bill.
"The votes are there," said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.
Congress is working to pass a reform bill that includes enforcement, a policy on dealing with illegals already in the country and a guest-worker program pushed by President Bush.
Under the legislation, illegal aliens in the United States would obtain six-year nonimmigrant visas under which they could work in the country and travel outside the country. The aliens would have to pay a $1,000 fine and undergo background checks.
After six years, the aliens would be able to meet certain requirements and then apply for a green card, or permanent residency.
Besides voting on the bill after the recess, committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said the panel also would vote on a bill by Sens. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., that would give illegal aliens up to five years to leave the U.S. After returning home, they could then apply to return, either as temporary workers or for permanent residency.
"Our intention is not to strand anyone outside the country," Kyl said, according to an AP report. But he asserted the McCain-Kennedy plan would give an illegal alien allowed to stay and work in the country a "huge advantage" over a person having to wait for years in his or her own country for a green card.
The McCain-Kennedy bill would start off with offering 400,000 of the new visas.
Two years ago, Bush proposed a guest-worker program that has been criticized by immigration-reform advocates as nothing more than an amnesty program for foreigners who entered the United States illegally.
Kennedy disputed the amnesty charge: "There is no moving to the front of the line, there is no free ticket. This is not amnesty."
Majority Leader Bill Frist has threatened to bring his own immigration bill to the floor of the Senate March 27 if the committee has not approved one.
Millions of illegals to become citizens?
Kennedy-McCain immigration reform bill likely to pass Senate committee after recess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: March 16, 2006
5:00 p.m. Eastern
� 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
A bill that would give millions of illegal aliens in the United States the opportunity to earn citizenship is closer to becoming law today as members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signaled likely passage of a proposal by Sens. Edward Kenney, D-Mass., and John McCain, R-Ariz.
Though a committee vote will not be held until after a week-long congressional recess, likely March 27, committee members appeared ready to back the Kennedy-McCain bill.
"The votes are there," said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.
Congress is working to pass a reform bill that includes enforcement, a policy on dealing with illegals already in the country and a guest-worker program pushed by President Bush.
Under the legislation, illegal aliens in the United States would obtain six-year nonimmigrant visas under which they could work in the country and travel outside the country. The aliens would have to pay a $1,000 fine and undergo background checks.
After six years, the aliens would be able to meet certain requirements and then apply for a green card, or permanent residency.
Besides voting on the bill after the recess, committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said the panel also would vote on a bill by Sens. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., that would give illegal aliens up to five years to leave the U.S. After returning home, they could then apply to return, either as temporary workers or for permanent residency.
"Our intention is not to strand anyone outside the country," Kyl said, according to an AP report. But he asserted the McCain-Kennedy plan would give an illegal alien allowed to stay and work in the country a "huge advantage" over a person having to wait for years in his or her own country for a green card.
The McCain-Kennedy bill would start off with offering 400,000 of the new visas.
Two years ago, Bush proposed a guest-worker program that has been criticized by immigration-reform advocates as nothing more than an amnesty program for foreigners who entered the United States illegally.
Kennedy disputed the amnesty charge: "There is no moving to the front of the line, there is no free ticket. This is not amnesty."
Majority Leader Bill Frist has threatened to bring his own immigration bill to the floor of the Senate March 27 if the committee has not approved one.
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webm
06-05 12:44 PM
Such thread are not created on this site. Even is not the place, as most applicants do not register with .
It is also possible that very few visa numbers were available during May for EB-3 India.
I agree...but sometimes few frequent users share that info here..and i dont see anything for May atleast..
It is also possible that very few visa numbers were available during May for EB-3 India.
I agree...but sometimes few frequent users share that info here..and i dont see anything for May atleast..
peace&joy
08-06 01:34 PM
My priority date: June 2004, in NSC
ram04
04-29 04:42 PM
:D
Actually the SU-30MKI beat both the F-15 and Euro fighter in training with the US and RAF, and is developed jointly by HAL.
Eurofighter has also invited India to partner in its development
India has so good grip on Russian & European Aviation technology (I got opportunity to be a part of MIG s and Jaguar upgrades for several versions in IAF &HAL).
In fact India is already involved into actual development & reselling of Russian MiG version air crafts to some third world countries after Russian collapse.
Inherently Russia always carry the base line fundamentals forward to newer technologies. By already having good expertise on those,
It perfectly makes sense from India's point of view to go with SU 30 and Euro fighters compared to F versions.
Immigration - It may not have any impact on immigration even if it is, what difference it makes after loosing so much of precious time in waiting already.
Actually the SU-30MKI beat both the F-15 and Euro fighter in training with the US and RAF, and is developed jointly by HAL.
Eurofighter has also invited India to partner in its development
India has so good grip on Russian & European Aviation technology (I got opportunity to be a part of MIG s and Jaguar upgrades for several versions in IAF &HAL).
In fact India is already involved into actual development & reselling of Russian MiG version air crafts to some third world countries after Russian collapse.
Inherently Russia always carry the base line fundamentals forward to newer technologies. By already having good expertise on those,
It perfectly makes sense from India's point of view to go with SU 30 and Euro fighters compared to F versions.
Immigration - It may not have any impact on immigration even if it is, what difference it makes after loosing so much of precious time in waiting already.